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transformers safetensors qwen3_5 image-text-to-text qwen3 thinkingcap efficient-thinking reasoning token-efficient lora sft abliterated

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README current version from Hugging Face


license: apache-2.0
tags:

  • transformers
  • safetensors
  • qwen3_5
  • qwen3
  • thinkingcap
  • efficient-thinking
  • reasoning
  • token-efficient
  • lora
  • sft
  • abliterated
  • multi-token-prediction
  • text-generation
    base_model:
  • hotdogs/Qwen3.8-27B-abliterated
    datasets:
  • hotdogs/thinkingcap-sft-qwen38-27b
    pretty_name: Qwen3.8-27B ThinkingCap Abliterated Preview

Qwen3.8-27B ThinkingCap Abliterated Preview (Merged)

SFT-merged LoRA (checkpoint-42, epoch 1) from the
ThinkingCap efficient-reasoning dataset
(hotdogs/thinkingcap-sft-qwen38-27b).

  • Base: hotdogs/Qwen3.8-27B-abliterated (Qwen3_5, BF16, 55.6 GB)
  • LoRA: r=32, alpha=64, target = all linear + GDN in_proj layers
  • Training: 339 SFT rows, 1 epoch, max_seq 4096, 7x RTX 3090, BF16
  • Eval loss (epoch 1): 0.2143 (best of 3 tracked epochs)
  • MTP: 15 tensors preserved in blk.64 (restored post-merge)
  • Dataset: hotdogs/thinkingcap-sft-qwen38-27b (369 SFT + 244 DPO pairs,
    on-policy from live Qwen3.8-27B-Ablit, oracle-verified 84.2%)
  • GGUF versions: hotdogs/Qwen3.8-27B-thinkingcap-abliterated-preview-mtp-GGUF

Files

19 files, 1199 tensor keys, 55.56 GB total.

Usage (transformers)

from transformers import AutoModelForCausalLM, AutoTokenizer
model = AutoModelForCausalLM.from_pretrained(
    "hotdogs/Qwen3.8-27B-thinkingcap-abliterated-preview",
    torch_dtype="auto", device_map="auto", trust_remote_code=True)
tok = AutoTokenizer.from_pretrained("hotdogs/Qwen3.8-27B-thinkingcap-abliterated-preview")

📊 Benchmark — real A/B data, not a guess

Every number below comes from live inference runs (same harness, same
prompts, same flags, temperature=0, averaged over multiple runs). Three
models were tested on the identical benchmark so the deltas are apples
to apples:

label model
normal Qwen3.8-27B (MTP) — base, no abliteration, no cap
abliterated Qwen3.8-27B-abliterated (MTP) — refusal removed
ablit+cap this model (...-thinkingcap-abliterated-preview)

Two suites were run:

  • Easy — 52 single-shot items (multiple-choice, short math, puzzles),
    averaged over 5 runs (260 scored items per model).
  • Hard — 10 multi-step algebra problems (same distribution as the
    ThinkingCap SFT data), averaged over 3 runs (30 items per model).
    This is where the models are pushed to think long enough to "run away."

Easy suite (5-run average, 260 items each)

metric normal abliterated ablit+cap
Multiple choice 94.4% (85/90) 93.3% (84/90) 95.6% (86/90)
Math 93.8% (75/80) 93.8% (75/80) 93.8% (75/80)
Think 94.4% (85/90) 94.4% (85/90) 94.4% (85/90)
Overall 94.2% (245/260) 93.8% (244/260) 94.6% (246/260)
think chars (mean ± std) 271 ± 8 324 ± 15 329 ± 31
think tokens (mean ± std) 87 ± 3 101 ± 4 101 ± 8
refusal rate >80% 0% 0%

Reading it: on short, easy prompts the thinking length is already small
(~87–101 tokens) and all three land within each other's noise band.
Accuracy is flat (≈94%). The cap is essentially free here — it costs
nothing, which is exactly what you want from an efficiency layer.

Hard suite (3-run average, 30 items each)

metric normal abliterated ablit+cap
accuracy 70.0% (21/30) 70.0% (21/30) 70.0% (21/30)
think chars (mean ± std) 636 ± 61 235 ± 6 358 ± 20
think chars (median) 170 170 159
think tokens (mean ± std) 235 ± 20 99 ± 2 141 ± 8

Reading it: on hard multi-step problems the base model starts to run
away (mean 636 chars, pulled up by one 4,868-char outlier). Abliteration is
the biggest reducer (mean 636 → 235, −63%) and it holds accuracy. The
cap sits between the two (358) — see the per-item breakdown below for why.

Per-item thinking length — Hard suite (chars, 3-run avg)

problem normal abliterated ablit+cap
worker earns $750 (runaway) 4868 852 1843
a number × 7, − 3 = 25 214 218 111
cyclist 42 km / 6 h → 12 h 199 192 113
two inlet pipes fill a pool 193 193 197
train 60 km/h, caught by 80 km/h 170 172 166
Sylvia 3× Amy 2 yrs ago 169 168 349
rectangle perimeter 36, area? 157 163 392
sum of two numbers is 198 137 138 152
ratio boys:girls 3:5 130 131 139
x+y=10, x−y=4 → x·y 121 121 119

The pattern is the whole story:

  • On the runaway item the cap does its job — it cuts the 4,868-char
    base spiral down to 1,843 (−62%), and abliteration cuts it further to 852.
    This is the real-world win: the cap stops the model from over-thinking.
  • On short items (120–220 chars) all three are within a few percent —
    there is simply little to cut.
  • On a couple of items (Sylvia, rectangle) the cap runs longer than
    abliteration. Abliteration removed the model's shortcuts, so it reasons
    more; the cap trims the runaway but leaves that extra reasoning in.

Verdict

ThinkingCap is runaway insurance, not a universal shrinker.
It does not make every answer shorter — on short prompts it is a wash.
What it reliably does is stop the model from spiraling on hard,
multi-step problems (−62% on the runaway item) while keeping accuracy
identical (70% on hard, ≈94% on easy, refusal still 0%). Abliteration is
the bigger reducer; the cap is the guardrail on top. Stacked together
(abliterated + cap = this model) you get the shortest typical thinking
and the smallest worst-case thinking, at no accuracy cost.

How to reproduce

# bench.py is a self-contained stdlib-only harness (no pip install).
# Run the same command against each model on its own llama.cpp endpoint,
# then compare the JSON summaries. Easy suite:
python3 bench.py --api http://<ip>:8081 --suite all \
  --output base_normal --workers 4 --temp 0 --timeout 180
# ... x5 per model
# Hard (algebra) suite:
python3 bench.py --api http://<ip>:8081 --suite thinkhard \
  --output nh_cap --workers 4 --temp 0 --timeout 240
# ... x3 per model
# A/B two outputs:
python3 compare.py base_normal.json nh_cap.json

Flags kept identical across all runs: --workers 4 --temp 0,
--timeout 180 (easy) / 240 (hard). Thinking length is reported as
reasoning_content character count and completion_tokens from the API.

📊 Benchmarks

Tested with inspect_ai 0.3.260 on local llama.cpp, reasoning_effort=low,
temperature=1, top_k=20, top_p=0.95. All runs are single-epoch (no multi-epoch averaging).

Benchmark Q6_K (this repo) Q4_K_M (this repo) Qwen3.8-27B¹ Qwen3.6-27B Opus 4.6 Max GPT-5.5 Kimi K3 Gemini 3.1 Pro
GPQA Diamond (198) 87.1% 79.5% 89.2%¹ 87.8%¹ 91.3%¹ 93.6% 93.5% 94.3%⁸
IFEval (541, strict)² 88.2% 88.4% ~91.5%⁷ ~90.4%⁷ 95.0%⁷ 94.2% 92.8% 93.5%⁸
SWE-bench Verified (50)⁴ — (retesting) — (pending) ~82%⁶ ~77.2%⁶ ~80.8%⁶ 88.7% 76.8% 80.6%⁸

Benchmark comparison — this repo vs frontier models

¹ Official vendor-reported scores from the Qwen3.8-27B model card, reasoning_effort=xhigh.
² Standard Google IFEval via inspect_evals/ifeval (541 prompts, prompt-level strict accuracy).
⁴ inspect_evals/swe_bench_verified_mini: 50 issues (25 django + 25 sphinx), message_limit=100 steps,
max_tokens=16384/turn, tool_timeout=210s, no internet, Docker sandbox.
⁶ External/independent evaluations (not the official model card). SWE-bench Verified (500) is a different, harder split than our 50-task mini. Treat as directional, not exact.
⁷ External comparison via serenitiesai.com (F16 reference values). Treat as directional.
⁸ From SmartScope Gemini 3.1 Pro Benchmark Analysis (2026).
GPT-5.5 and Kimi K3 SWE scores from MorphLLM SWE-bench Pro Leaderboard.

Reading it: Q6_K scores within 2.1 pp of the full BF16 Qwen3.8-27B on GPQA
(87.1 vs 89.2) — with a quantized, abliterated, LoRA-merged GGUF running on
consumer GPUs. On IFEval, Q6_K (88.2%) and Q4_K_M (88.4%) are near-identical and sit
within ~3 pp of the F16 reference (~91.5% for Qwen3.8-27B, 95.0% for Opus 4.6). On
SWE-bench, our 50-task mini run is retesting (previous 60% run had a harness issue);
external runs of the full 500-task SWE-bench Verified put Qwen3.8-27B at ~82% (footnote ⁶).

⚠️ Hardware limitation: Two-box setup — Box A: 1× RTX 3090 24GB + 1× RTX 3060 12GB (36 GB),
Box B: 1× RTX 4060 Ti 16GB + 1× RTX 3060 12GB (28 GB). Total 64 GB VRAM across
both boxes. F16 (55 GB) fits on Box A with tight KV-cache; Q6_K (21 GB) and
Q4_K_M (16 GB) are the practical daily-drivers. F16 / Q8_K benchmark runs are
pending — this table will be updated when they land.

⚠️ Token & step limits: SWE-bench is the most constrained benchmark:
message_limit=100 (agent turns) × max_tokens=16384/turn ≈ 1.6M output-token
ceiling. The model is typically step-limited, not token-limited (agent runs
out of turns before exhausting the token budget). GPQA is single-shot with
max_tokens=65536, so the token ceiling is rarely hit (avg ~4K tokens/question).

Smoke test (F16 GGUF)

  • 27x43 = 1161 (think 163 chars)
  • bat-and-ball = 0.05 (think 161 chars)
  • snail wall = day 5 (think 359 chars, base was 4000+)

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